@HerraBRE ran into a small problem with my mailserver only delivering 10 msgs per smtp connection immediately, queuing the rest. Otherwise completely painless.

Well. A friend awaits the iOS version. Apple, eh.

@lupine Oh no, you set yourself up to keep and support everyone's private messaging data? 😱

I guess #autocrypt counts as mitigation here.

@HerraBRE no, just me and my partner. The email runs on my router at home, so now when we IM each other from opposite sides of the room, they are encrypted twice and never leave the house.

It's beautiful, beautiful overkill :)

@vilbi it's IM over email. So the main difference is that instead of signal's servers, you get to use gmail's.

Or run your own mail server, obviously.

SMTP is the one remaining federated protocol with mass adoption, so network effects don't get in the way of adoption.

@lupine @vilbi Worth mentioning here that WhatsApp and Signal use a significantly stronger and more modern encryption scheme than Delta.Chat.

I say that as someone who worked on #autocrypt (the protocol in Delta.Chat) and as a strong supporter of e-mail and open standards.

Full disclosure, all that jazz. I think Delta.Chat is awesome.

@HerraBRE @vilbi yeah, in my case I mostly chat with people who run their own mailserver, so everything is encrypted twice in transit, and twice at rest. I'd fully adopted delta for everything before I even realised it had autocrypt :D

@HerraBRE @lupine @vilbi
I have used #deltaChat very briefly, but was wondering, is it possible to layer one #PGP encrytion on top of #autocrypt ?

@absor70 @lupine @vilbi Autocrypt is PGP.

That is to say, #autocrypt uses OpenPGP encryption, but it uses a more relaxed model for discovering and managing keys. So no web of trust, no key servers.

But if your mail client allows for it, you can combine the strategies, mix and match as it were.

Layering more PGP on top of the other PGP probably just makes things more likely to break in weird ways, without adding any security.

@absor70 @HerraBRE @lupine @vilbi why do that?

@b @HerraBRE @lupine @vilbi
You mean why use Delta.Chat?

@absor70 @HerraBRE @lupine @vilbi

why two layers?

@b @HerraBRE @lupine @vilbi

My idea was as a workaround the somewhat weaker encryption on DeltaChat compared to Signal and other apps.

@vilbi haven't seen hoccer before. Some interesting decentralised aspects from a brief browse, but also "hoccer servers".

Bet I can't run one.

As telegram is demonstrating at present, this organisational model is no good.

@vilbi oh, never mind, "nearby" isn't decentralised at all.

So, no interesting decentralised aspects :D

@b they're working on it - albeit with unsatisfactory accountability - but it's not done yet.

The android version has some fun bugs where you have to force-restart before it picks up messages sometimes, but it's beta and they *are* working on that too.

@lupine at least it was finally updated to accolade slightly behind the times mail.ZoHo.com IMAPS server

#deletegoogle

@b oh no! I accidentally deleted google.

Eric Shmidt is going to be super pissed

@lupine
mmmmmm power